Many people, including some who are perfectly intelligent in other ways, seem not to understand that Google doesn't answer questions, it just finds pages with your search terms. My ex, who definitely isn't stupid and in fact is very accomplished, but who is paranoid about getting cancer (for good reasons, family history), when she felt ill would type her symptoms and a relevant type of cancer into google (e.g. abdominal pain kidney cancer), and I had to remind her that if you do that you're not getting neutral information, you're literally telling Google to show you the websites that say you have cancer
You know how you get a tesla and then you notice more tesla around? That's a combination of what you're referring to, and the fact that there Are more tesla around... This phenomenon does not preclude that.
There are excess deaths, in abundance, and it genuinely seems they'll try to come up with any excuse except one. I just want it looked into properly, I don't think that's too much to ask.
Far too early to say this, and far too many vested interests in ignoring evidence which suggests the vaccines are a factor.
There definitely are known to be some very serious life changing side effects including deaths. I have seen at first hand a distressing and unpleasant autoimmune condition (Bullous Pemphigoid) triggered repeatedly a day or so after each shot in an elderly lady I know personally. For this to flare up on every one of 3 occasions she was given the Covid vaccine is more than coincidence. This will not show up in reported cases of an adverse event; how many others ? Triggering autoimmune conditions is just one side effect recognised by many highly reputable clinicians.
What is at issue is how many people have genuinely been adversely affected by Covid vaccines. No drug of any kind is absolutely safe so your dismissal of the possibility of far more vaccine harms than you currently believe comes into the category of wilful ignorance.
There clearly is evidence of excess deaths as it has been linked to myocarditis and strokes The evidence may not be conclusive but there clearly is evidence. Even if proven it does not mean that vaccines haven't saved lives. but similarly if you vaccinate a healthy child you are stupid as the risk from the vaccine seems larger than the disease
In the UK there have been around 1,000 excess deaths a week recently. As there have only been 51 deaths attributed to Covid vaccines in the last two years (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales) it is clearly something else. There are excess deaths from most causes, so unless you believe that the vaccines cause cancer, alcoholic liver cirrhosis, diabetes and urinary infections as well as every form of heart disease - all with a weird delay of 1-2 years after mRNA has left the body - it would seem that inadequate healthcare, ambulance delays, lack of screening during the pandemic and Covid itself are more plausible candidates.
“Official ONS statistics will be based on death certification. As with Covid deaths we know this isn’t reliable data.”
This is why it’s pointless arguing with you people. When all else fails you accuse doctors of falsifying death certificates.
“You wouldn’t see poor lifestyle choices or morbid obesity on a death certificate so why would you expect to see vaccine induced heart attack or stroke. If you don’t look you don’t find.”
But they do put vaccine-induced heart attack on death certificates. They’ve done it 51 times.
I think Chris is well aware that death certificates don't explain what caused the the illness that caused the death. He's asking you to explain a mechanism by which a vaccine could cause all of those different conditions. It's inherently unlikely
The experts who have concerns believe the spike protein which is an intrinsic element of all the Covid vaccines (and Covid itself) may cause a wide range of damages, as does Covid itself. There is also concern about the lipids which are part of the delivery mechanism getting into women’s ovaries and also getting into the brain both of which can have undesirable consequences.
The question really is, given the very low mortality rate of Covid in the majority of healthy individuals (including the elderly - my 88 year old mother is unvaccinated, fit and healthy and circulates socially and has never knowingly had Covid) which poses the greater risk, vaccine injury or Covid itself ? This is a vitally important question to answer properly and constructively.
Vast sums of money have been spent by governments on vaccines, if they’re doing more harm than good it’s in everyone’s interests to know this for both health and financial reasons.
Why do people ridicule and disparage more extensive investigation ?
Govenor Ron Desantis and Senator Ron Johnson have both held round table gatherings of interested parties with a genuine and serious intention of seeking a full investigation of serious side effects. The people involved have been serious high level people, scientists and others in senior roles; they are not ‘morons’ and they are not zealot ‘anti-vaxxers’
These efforts are denounced and vilified by various groups and many media outlets. If there’s nothing to hide why such huge pressure against these efforts ?
There are hundreds of thousands of reports from people with serious neurological damage in the US VAERS reporting system, myocarditis is only one of the side effects.
It is important this is fully and investigated by a mixed team of highly respected clinical researchers, preferably a team set up with members who come from both sides of the debate on the extent of vaccine injury to limit the effect of biased preconceptions.
I'm late to this, but it took a long time to properly establish that Vioxx increased the risk of heart attacks.
I guess the question is; have the lessons from previous debacles been fully learned and internalised and applied going forward, including to the covid vaccine?
Dr Aseem Malhotra is one who is voicing concerns. He is vaccinated, worked in a vaccine clinic and via the media he encouraged people to take the vaccination in 2021. Based on current evidence and data he now believes there is a significant problem with Covid vaccines (not vaccines generally which he is highly supportive of).
Govenor Ron Desantis is setting up a federal grand jury to investigate Covid vaccine harms. This is what needs to happen thorough investigation and examination of evidence.
These vaccines are new previously untried technology. Pharmaceutical companies build the cost of lawsuits into their budgets and have lost countless actions. There is massive evidence of malpractice of these companies who have made billions from Covid vaccines.
Dismissal of legitimate concerns is no better than extremist anti-vaccine propaganda.
The vaccinated are just as guilty. Most vaccinated people won’t even countenance the possibility that there are greater dangers from MRNA vaccines than they have been led to believe. You are sounding like someone in this camp Chris.
There is a growing number of highly qualified medical research scientists from the US and Europe who have grave concerns, having done extensive interrogation of data. It has also been revealed that Pfizer’s own test data shows the number of deaths prevented by vaccines was lower than the incidence of significant harms caused - I repeat this is Pfizer’s own test data.
It is also reported that life insurance companies have seen a significantly higher rate of death in working age adults over the past two years. The vaccines or something else ? This should be properly investigated not treated as ‘anti-vaxx’ propaganda.
The 'more Arsenel fans' effect is a bad example because it is probably real, and not Baader-Meinhoff. 'Everybody loves a winner.' There are an extremely large number of non-fans who jump on the bandwagon of professional sports teams which are doing well. And one of the first thing they do is buy merchandise. Sports franchises make windfall profits from this large market. When the Toronto Raptors Basketball team won it all, people who were happy to tell you that they didn't know the rules of the game were gobbling up merch to the point where the city of Toronto and its surrounds ran out, a pretty impressive feat in these days of just-in-time manufacturing. Tens of thousands of fans showed up to watch games together on large tv screens set up for the purpose in various GTA locations because the arena was full... or the Raptors were playing out of town. Figuring out how to maximise the windfall profits from these people is a challenge, one that sports francises obsessover. And when the team stops doing well, the madness stops, people stop wearing their team jerseys, and the hype starts up in some other town.
'I want to be part of this winning experience' means money in the bank.
What we need is figures for the sale of merchandise, monthly, to figure out how the stuff is selling. But as the season goes on, teams that do well almost always sell more merch to fair-weather fans. It might not be what is happening, but I would bet that way.
But in the same way that sales of merchandise figures can show you whether 'am I really seeing more merchandise' there are real figures about how often athletes collapse while competing, and the players unions know the answer to this. So figuring out whether there is a serious increase or not shouldn'ẗ be a matter of opinion.
Wonderful payoff line
Many people, including some who are perfectly intelligent in other ways, seem not to understand that Google doesn't answer questions, it just finds pages with your search terms. My ex, who definitely isn't stupid and in fact is very accomplished, but who is paranoid about getting cancer (for good reasons, family history), when she felt ill would type her symptoms and a relevant type of cancer into google (e.g. abdominal pain kidney cancer), and I had to remind her that if you do that you're not getting neutral information, you're literally telling Google to show you the websites that say you have cancer
You know how you get a tesla and then you notice more tesla around? That's a combination of what you're referring to, and the fact that there Are more tesla around... This phenomenon does not preclude that.
There are excess deaths, in abundance, and it genuinely seems they'll try to come up with any excuse except one. I just want it looked into properly, I don't think that's too much to ask.
It is being looked at carefully, as are the vaccines, and there is no evidence of a link between the excess deaths and the vaccines.
Far too early to say this, and far too many vested interests in ignoring evidence which suggests the vaccines are a factor.
There definitely are known to be some very serious life changing side effects including deaths. I have seen at first hand a distressing and unpleasant autoimmune condition (Bullous Pemphigoid) triggered repeatedly a day or so after each shot in an elderly lady I know personally. For this to flare up on every one of 3 occasions she was given the Covid vaccine is more than coincidence. This will not show up in reported cases of an adverse event; how many others ? Triggering autoimmune conditions is just one side effect recognised by many highly reputable clinicians.
What is at issue is how many people have genuinely been adversely affected by Covid vaccines. No drug of any kind is absolutely safe so your dismissal of the possibility of far more vaccine harms than you currently believe comes into the category of wilful ignorance.
There clearly is evidence of excess deaths as it has been linked to myocarditis and strokes The evidence may not be conclusive but there clearly is evidence. Even if proven it does not mean that vaccines haven't saved lives. but similarly if you vaccinate a healthy child you are stupid as the risk from the vaccine seems larger than the disease
In the UK there have been around 1,000 excess deaths a week recently. As there have only been 51 deaths attributed to Covid vaccines in the last two years (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales) it is clearly something else. There are excess deaths from most causes, so unless you believe that the vaccines cause cancer, alcoholic liver cirrhosis, diabetes and urinary infections as well as every form of heart disease - all with a weird delay of 1-2 years after mRNA has left the body - it would seem that inadequate healthcare, ambulance delays, lack of screening during the pandemic and Covid itself are more plausible candidates.
“Official ONS statistics will be based on death certification. As with Covid deaths we know this isn’t reliable data.”
This is why it’s pointless arguing with you people. When all else fails you accuse doctors of falsifying death certificates.
“You wouldn’t see poor lifestyle choices or morbid obesity on a death certificate so why would you expect to see vaccine induced heart attack or stroke. If you don’t look you don’t find.”
But they do put vaccine-induced heart attack on death certificates. They’ve done it 51 times.
I think Chris is well aware that death certificates don't explain what caused the the illness that caused the death. He's asking you to explain a mechanism by which a vaccine could cause all of those different conditions. It's inherently unlikely
The experts who have concerns believe the spike protein which is an intrinsic element of all the Covid vaccines (and Covid itself) may cause a wide range of damages, as does Covid itself. There is also concern about the lipids which are part of the delivery mechanism getting into women’s ovaries and also getting into the brain both of which can have undesirable consequences.
The question really is, given the very low mortality rate of Covid in the majority of healthy individuals (including the elderly - my 88 year old mother is unvaccinated, fit and healthy and circulates socially and has never knowingly had Covid) which poses the greater risk, vaccine injury or Covid itself ? This is a vitally important question to answer properly and constructively.
Vast sums of money have been spent by governments on vaccines, if they’re doing more harm than good it’s in everyone’s interests to know this for both health and financial reasons.
Why do people ridicule and disparage more extensive investigation ?
Classic gish gallop
Evidence or STFU
www.vacsafety.org is a good place to start.
Govenor Ron Desantis and Senator Ron Johnson have both held round table gatherings of interested parties with a genuine and serious intention of seeking a full investigation of serious side effects. The people involved have been serious high level people, scientists and others in senior roles; they are not ‘morons’ and they are not zealot ‘anti-vaxxers’
These efforts are denounced and vilified by various groups and many media outlets. If there’s nothing to hide why such huge pressure against these efforts ?
There are hundreds of thousands of reports from people with serious neurological damage in the US VAERS reporting system, myocarditis is only one of the side effects.
It is important this is fully and investigated by a mixed team of highly respected clinical researchers, preferably a team set up with members who come from both sides of the debate on the extent of vaccine injury to limit the effect of biased preconceptions.
I'm late to this, but it took a long time to properly establish that Vioxx increased the risk of heart attacks.
I guess the question is; have the lessons from previous debacles been fully learned and internalised and applied going forward, including to the covid vaccine?
Dr Aseem Malhotra is one who is voicing concerns. He is vaccinated, worked in a vaccine clinic and via the media he encouraged people to take the vaccination in 2021. Based on current evidence and data he now believes there is a significant problem with Covid vaccines (not vaccines generally which he is highly supportive of).
Govenor Ron Desantis is setting up a federal grand jury to investigate Covid vaccine harms. This is what needs to happen thorough investigation and examination of evidence.
These vaccines are new previously untried technology. Pharmaceutical companies build the cost of lawsuits into their budgets and have lost countless actions. There is massive evidence of malpractice of these companies who have made billions from Covid vaccines.
Dismissal of legitimate concerns is no better than extremist anti-vaccine propaganda.
The vaccinated are just as guilty. Most vaccinated people won’t even countenance the possibility that there are greater dangers from MRNA vaccines than they have been led to believe. You are sounding like someone in this camp Chris.
There is a growing number of highly qualified medical research scientists from the US and Europe who have grave concerns, having done extensive interrogation of data. It has also been revealed that Pfizer’s own test data shows the number of deaths prevented by vaccines was lower than the incidence of significant harms caused - I repeat this is Pfizer’s own test data.
It is also reported that life insurance companies have seen a significantly higher rate of death in working age adults over the past two years. The vaccines or something else ? This should be properly investigated not treated as ‘anti-vaxx’ propaganda.
This is a poorly researched article.
I know lots of morons :((
The ever-insightful Steve Kirsch would beg to differ:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/
Just saying.
Ever insightful 🤣
That doesn’t explain the clear rise in the number of Blue Fiat 500s since I bought mine. Clearly an EU conspiracy of some kind
Clearly.
The idea that there were just as many Sudden Athletic Deaths in the past as there are now has been thoroughly debunked in the Daily Skeptic.
It is simply not the case that it was always like this but we just never noticed it before
More details on page 3 of this linked pdf
https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/Light-17-i-Final1.pdf
Can you explain how that article constitutes a "debunk"? I don't see any mention there of pre-covid rates of Sudden Athletic Deaths.
I had been looking for an article on this but now I see them everywhere.
Thank you for displaying your arrogance and condescension in a public forum.
The 'more Arsenel fans' effect is a bad example because it is probably real, and not Baader-Meinhoff. 'Everybody loves a winner.' There are an extremely large number of non-fans who jump on the bandwagon of professional sports teams which are doing well. And one of the first thing they do is buy merchandise. Sports franchises make windfall profits from this large market. When the Toronto Raptors Basketball team won it all, people who were happy to tell you that they didn't know the rules of the game were gobbling up merch to the point where the city of Toronto and its surrounds ran out, a pretty impressive feat in these days of just-in-time manufacturing. Tens of thousands of fans showed up to watch games together on large tv screens set up for the purpose in various GTA locations because the arena was full... or the Raptors were playing out of town. Figuring out how to maximise the windfall profits from these people is a challenge, one that sports francises obsessover. And when the team stops doing well, the madness stops, people stop wearing their team jerseys, and the hype starts up in some other town.
'I want to be part of this winning experience' means money in the bank.
They haven’t won it yet. It’s only January.
What we need is figures for the sale of merchandise, monthly, to figure out how the stuff is selling. But as the season goes on, teams that do well almost always sell more merch to fair-weather fans. It might not be what is happening, but I would bet that way.
But in the same way that sales of merchandise figures can show you whether 'am I really seeing more merchandise' there are real figures about how often athletes collapse while competing, and the players unions know the answer to this. So figuring out whether there is a serious increase or not shouldn'ẗ be a matter of opinion.
I think I read all that somewhere else.