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David Brown's avatar

If you listen to the LL is innocent brigade you get a really good story but that is all it is as it simply does not correlate to much detail in the actual case. These people seem to have made up their mind not to trust our institutions or doctors or police and instead trust a kind looking middle class white girl. The evidence against Lucy Letby is over whelming and that is why the jury found her guilty. it saddens me that many of these innocent advocates haven't looked in detail at the trial evidence much of which you can get from CrimeScene2 videos. Personally I am beginning to lose patience as the weight of the evidence is there. I too have listened to their arguments and believed she was innocent only to go back and look at the trial evidence which says otherwise but it takes a lot of time and patience to really look . The jury and apparently nearly all present at the full trial came away convinced of her guilt.. The innocent brigade are led IMO by a small group of conspiracy theorists and illogical thinkers that further erode our society, sometimes I wonder if that is their intent. Yes historically the police have screwed up but this is not such a case. Lucy Letby is guilty as generally convicted.

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Gregory Rise's avatar

You say that the NY and Telegraph articles "argue or imply that the Countess of Chester neonatal wards were full of very premature and sick babies who were at death’s door and that there was nothing suspicious about the spike in deaths in 2015-16 which could have been the result of chance or under-staffing."

The section in the Telegraph "A struggling baby unit" refers to an "alarming spike in the number of newborn deaths" not a merely explaining away of a chance occurrence. They spend time discussing the CQC findings that there were infection control issues. Many of the more serious risks around patient care can be attributed to HR but it's flippant to refer to it as simply "under-staffing" as though it just means they can't take as many coffee breaks. There are life and death consequences of hospital management resourcing. A facility which has wastewater leaks and storage in corridors is in trouble. Certainly I was aware of all these issues at the time and not because I work in public health. It was on the public record, but then easily forgotten when a nurse was available to explain it all away.

Most of the statistical arguments around probability in the decent discussions have referred not to the cluster of events but to the approach to determine how likely it is that one nurse should be on duty at the time (if not the exact place) that some babies died. Initially this was a million to one or less. This was challenged by the Royal a Statistical Society some years ago relating to other cases. There was undoubtedly an increase in deaths, and this will happen occasionally somewhere sometime but in countries where infant deaths are relatively rare they should be investigated.

You present sceptics/conspiracy theorists as though they are QAnon. There are different grounds for calling into question the safety of the conviction but some legal judgments around the right to appeal make this difficult. I personally suspect that, with the effective job done on demonising her in the media even before a verdict was reached (many stories smelling of misogyny in the way women are often treated more harshly than men in the same circumstances), nobody wanted to be the one to give her aid.

I'm sure you agree that if there is a chance there has been a miscarriage of justice this should be investigated, and that this should not be obstructed.

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